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UAG vs US medical schools

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Hey,

I have a decently competetive application with 3.7 GPA, 29Q MCAT, lots of research and experience, and community service, and really good LORs. I have applied to US medical schools for entry Fall 2014, and just heard about this school. Do you know how it competes with US medical schools in terms of quality of classes and campus life, as well as chances at practicing in the US after medical school? Any thoughts from current students or alumni would be awesome. Thank you!

Rob

Summer 2014/02 New Students Thread

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Welcome to new students beginning during July/August 2014. This is a forum for you to chat and start connecting. Remember that specific housing, etc. should go in Classifieds!

Do they expect you to take tests in Spanish?

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I highly considering attending this institution and not worried about learning Spanish in fact. I feel I can become fluent, but I do fear reading it. I take tests slow and read slow in my native English, so while I feel I may be able to converse reading and testing in Spanish is a big issue for me. I heard fifth semester and on is Spanish can anyone offer insight for me. Thank you so much

UAG Good or Bad idea need some advice

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Hi everyone with God's Grace I will be graduating from college with my Pre Med major next school year I going to take the MCAT next spring but I doubt I'll do good at least enough to get me in a U.S Medical School and I was wondering if there's any Americans planning to attend or that are currently attending UAG to give some heads up is it safe I would really like to go since I m Mexican American with both nationalities and live in Mexico when I was a kid went to Primaria over there so I speak and write perfect Spanish I m basically bilingual but with all the current violence makes me wonder anybody currently over there or planning to attend sometime soon

USMLE Step 1 passing score goes up

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Not shockingly, Step 1 Passing Score Goes Up!

As a result of its review, the Step 1 Committee decided to raise the recommended Step 1 minimum passing score from 188 to 192.
This change will be applied to Step 1 examinees testing on or after January 1, 2014.

Source : USMLE.org

But seriously as IMGs anyways your bare minimum should be 200 anyways with ideally 220+ scores.

Just making it harder!

Las Vegas

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Can anyone pass any updates regarding Las Vegas?

The last time I spoke with either Lic. Castillo or a secretary (3rd week of Dec), the UAG was still waiting for Las Vegas to sign the official contract.

I am confident that this will be completed soon, but it is frustrating when your plans are hung up in the air 2 weeks before the semester is supposed to begin.

Best wishes and happy holidays to all!

Losing our fifth year program - NYMC

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There are very few people that were more conflicted than I to hear the news regarding the failure of UAG to maintain their international program through New York Medical College. My sincere condolences to the students who are in New York right now, and are having to arrange, on their own, how to complete their final semester of medical education in the middle of the match.

I hope we all are thinking of the hapless students who flew to New York over the last few weeks, eager to start their first semester as a pre-intern, whatever that is, as they returned triumphantly back to the United States with a fresh titulo, happy to be done with the insanity of UAG's inane requirements regarding attendance, their ludicrous exams, and never knowing what the future holds. Having moved a few times across the country over the last few years, I know the stages of shock and loneliness that they must be going through, and the difficulty they must be having explaining to their loved ones as to what the hell is going on.

To step back a little bit from the current crisis, I heard many rumors regarding the demise of the fifth pathway when I began my first semester of medical school at the Autonoma. The wounds inflicted upon the student body were still fresh, and the school bore a great deal of responsibility for what ultimately had transpired. I figured that the worst was over, where was there to go after losing the fifth pathway? Mexico was not about to revoke the credentialing of one of many sub-par medical schools, and after all, we could technically do our fifth year anywhere. It was not until later that we learned that in order to do the fifth year, we would have to pay an outrageous sum of $80,000 and admission was neither guaranteed, nor automatic. Ironically I heard from a secretary that the original fifth pathway was also lost due to a missed deadline and unfiled paperwork, but I haven't bothered to verify that.

Over the next three years I would learn that there was no limit to the depths of the incompetence, and the swamp of inefficiency that is the administrative division of the medical school would routinely lose grades, important legal documents, financial aid checks, transcripts, ECFMG certifications, immigration paperwork...and would be the first to drop a dime on a student if your FM3 had expired (which was typically somehow their fault in the first place). They also screwed over students with deliberately bad advice regarding the importance of claiming their right to Mexican citizenship, in some cases making them perform all six years of the medical curriculum. The long series of administrative problems we have had over the last decade with scheduling stateside clinical rotations, vanishing spots in fifth year rotations, changing policies regarding USMLE pass rates, and the general litany of senseless abuse was a lengthy and inevitable preview of our current situation.

So it was not surprise that came to mind when I heard the news, but the steady drumbeat of inevitability. This is what happens when you refuse to invest in your medical school, and more importantly, repeatedly refuse to take the advice of your student government.

As we heard countless times during endless lectures, medicine is a difficult career. The obligations of the field are protean, and exacting care must be taken to fulfill our professional role to the very threshold of our abilities as physicians. Yet the school persistently declined to take even a minimum level of responsibility for any of the constant crisis of incompetence we repeatedly endured. Things were constantly in flux, requirements would change overnight, tests were given on subjects that had not been covered but it always seemed to be the fault of the students. Nothing was even communicated formally to the students, because I suspect it was beyond the ability of the administration to know what was even going on outside the fabuloso-scented marble floors of their main campus. As far as I know, they still have the dubious honor of being the only medical school in the state of Jalisco to not provide an email service to all students. It does give you a certain idea of their priorities.

In conclusion, if you are intending to begin your medical education at UAG, I urge you to look elsewhere. This school’s international program is done. There are many fine medical schools throughout Latin America, most of which are eligible for federal loan programs. You will receive a far superior education, endure far less heartache, and you might even become a doctor someday. It won't be easy, but it will be possible.

If you're already in the sisyphean abyss that was formerly our venerable international program (most practicing graduates of any medical school!!!!) I would be very careful with some of these companies that offer clerkships for cash - but you may not have a choice.

I doubt that UAG will be successful in setting up quality programs in Arizona or Las Vegas, they have always managed to self-destruct their way out of finished contracts at the very last minute. On the other hand, it wouldn’t take much to have a better fifth year program than the one we had in New York.

If you're already here, it's going to be an even longer, more difficult road to licensure, and it may very take divine assistance to get you across the finish line. Anyone who says different is trying to sell you something. I don't envy your current predicament. But like they say: it gets better. You came this far. Don’t give up yet.

News on new locations? Vegas, New Jersey, Chicago, etc

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When news becomes available on new internship/elective sites in Las Vegas, New Jersey, and/or Chicago can you please share some details?

Does anyone know the number of new incoming students for Jan 2014 ?

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Does anyone know the number of new incoming students for Jan 2014 ?

I heard it is the lowest in years, but never heard an exact number.

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1st and 2nd year Loan Situation What's Going On?

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A friend of mine texted me today telling me to hold off on my application to UAG saying that he did not receive his loans. Does anybody know what happening?

Studentsrooms

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:)This residence is located in one of the best residential areas at Guadalajara city, very secure, surrounded by 24 hour Drugstores and Supermarkets, Churches, Parks, Fitness centers, Restaurants, Clubs, The Financial Center,15 minutes from the Historical Downtown. Universities: UAG,ICB JUST 6 BLOCKS AWAY. Bus stop CUSH CUCEA TEC at the corner
TEC, UP, UDG.
Has a spacious, airy and clean, open areas, 1 SHARE ROOM 2 persons $ 3000 each, 1 INDIVIDUAL ROOM $ 4700, a very nice Interior Garden and BBQ area, 3 closed Garages, Kitchen with appliances, dining dish ware and cooking ware, self catering. Urban Buses and Taxis half a block away, includes services on rent, the use of commune areas and kitchen. NO Horaris

recent document translated into english from UAG pupper LC

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Av Patria 1201, Lomas del Valle , 3a . Section , CP 45129 Zapopan, Jalisco, Mexico . PO Box 1-440 , Switch Tels 3648-8352 and 3648-8824 , Ext 6799 juancleano@uag.edu Guadalajara , Jalisco on February 8, 2014 All American and Puerto Rican students UAG : According to the commitment of the UAG to keep them informed of progress in resolving the issue of student loans from the Department of Education of the United States ( USDOE ) I would make a summary of the activities that the University has been made ​​through of its authorities : 1) We have informed relevant government authorities involved in the problems they are experiencing our foreign students and therefore the University , requesting their support in resolving it. Among those contacted instances are : a) The Mexican consulate in Puerto Rico b ) The U.S. consulate in Guadalajara c ) The Mexican Secretariat of Education d ) The Department of Education of Puerto Rico and the United States of America (USA) e) The Departments of Health of Mexico, Puerto Rico and the U.S. f ) The Embassy of Mexico in Washington 2) We have contacted several U.S. congressmen and Puerto Rico to explain the situation . 3) A delegation of the UAG traveled to Washington to meet with officials from the USDOE and the U.S. Congress . The delegation consisted of officials of the University and his colleagues , representatives from NASA. 4) We have requested the help and support in resolving this problem to distinguished graduates of our university found in positions that allow them to help us with this complex issue . 5) On February 6 , Mr. Antonio Leano Reyes, Rector UAG , held a high-level meeting with the U.S. Consul in Guadalajara , Ms. Susan Abeyta . At this meeting , our Rector expressed his deep concern for the welfare of our North American and Puerto Rican students and explained in detail the problems . In the same way it was shared with the action plan that intends to take UAG . Ms. Consul expressed their support to grave events and we ensured their active participation in solving this issue through the State Department of the USA . 6) On February 7 , Mr. Antonio Leano Reyes along with other university officials and representatives of the Embassy of Mexico in Washington and Av Patria 1201, Lomas del Valle , 3a . Section , CP 45129 Zapopan, Jalisco, Mexico . PO Box 1-440 , Switch Tels 3648-8352 and 3648-8824 , Ext 6799 juancleano@uag.edu Congressman of Puerto Rico , Pedro R. Pierluisi met in Washington , D.C. with USDOE officials headed by Eric W. Waldo , Deputy Chief of Staff of the Secretary of Education. Allow me to inform you that , thanks to these efforts and especially the strength of the arguments against Eric W. Waldo has been achieved that the case be reopened UAG for further and deeper analysis , in order to revive in the coming weeks the status of cash advance in the form of funding for our American and Puerto Rican students . Eric W. Waldo has been assigned to a new team of analysts to review the documentation of the case again and promised to personally supervise the process. The steps of this process are: 1) New delivery of information from the UAG to USDOE . This point is already underway , with the goal of having a resolution as soon as possible . 2) In the coming days more meetings with members of Congress and American legislators directly involved in the field of education will be sustained . Finally, we know that, having received the money from their loans, the situation is very complicated but I want to reiterate , before they take any hasty decision to leave the University , wait the final response from the Department of Education in the coming weeks . During this time we will continue to take all necessary actions to quickly find a positive solution to this serious matter . Similarly, as they announced today the Vice Chancellor , in the coming days we will be announcing a series of props that I'm sure will allow them to continue their studies while this issue is resolved . We will continue to strive to keep all our students and their families of advances in this situation. attentively Mr. Juan Carlos Leano Castle Director- General

Feel like you have been defrauded by UAG - Class action Suit!!

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I think the school defrauded all the students for the last year by not telling us of the federal loan problems. It is written into that law they are required to tell us. To be honest we would still be in the dark if it wasn't for the students that did not get loans. The school is asking us to write senators and congressmen to get help.... Basically to save this institution from collapse.

Our tuition money has for years been funneled to build big extravagant malls and resorts. If the Leano's would have taken this money and invested into the program we would not have this problem. For years they have taken students that have no chance of ever passing step - i.e. the ones that have taken it over 3 times. They have a practice of accepting students with single digit MCAT scores....

Soooo if you agree with the fact that they defrauded us for the last year and want to step up, post a message here and lets get this thing going.

Is the rumor true, those who were students in April 2013 will receive loans ?

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I read this somewhere.

Is the rumor true, that those who were full time students in April 2013 and receiving loans will/can still receive loans to complete their studies?

Fact or Fiction

A nasty image from when staying in the Lake Chipala area a few years ago !
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What changed in Jan 2014 so that new students do not have to do the internado ( 5th )

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Check link out. Looks like the 5yr (internado) is no longer required for "NEW" students.

UAG School of Medicine - Routes

What has changed in the program so it is not required ?

Maybe the school can do something for those trying to find 5th year placements when everything is closed down or on hold.

Help the current students.

Why are students in a position where they are fighting for their existence for an internship in the states due to the old 5th year and US Federal Loans being held back.

Ask your NASA Class Presidents about this !

Considering UAG?

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Think about it...and I mean, REALLY THINK ABOUT IT....ready? Ok, think about it AGAIN.

What's going on?

Students are STILL waiting on a response from US DoE or from the school. How has it been handled? "We'll find out tomorrow..." For about a month, it has been "tomorrow".There had been a couple of meetings where students have been entertained for almost 2 hours with the same thing about school not being at fault, and funds being taken unjustly...or how the school has 67% passing of USMLE STEP 1 while US schools have 62% (or 63%) and Canada 38% (I don't know where the stats came from but that is what my friend told me anyways). There have been petitions and calls to Congressmen to PLEASE reinstate Title IV to UAG and lots of family and friends have been very cooperative. Hopefully this will work out for the best...

HOWEVER...if you are just considering embarking into your application process...I ask you to please reconsider, or at least wait for a year. There are supposed to be changes to improve the program...but you know what? WHO KNOWS IF IT WILL HAPPEN and if they do, who knows how long it will take to actually make them work. Save yourself the hassle and the worry. It is awful to read how students are put in this position of not knowing and it keeps dragging.

Just a word of caution. Do your research and think about it before you apply and give up your "administrative fee", get your butt to Mexico, leave family and friends and jump into what you think will be "the dream". REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.


PS. If you don't know what is going on with the student loans, there are several posts about it on the forum.

Info on the UAG 5 year medical program to the 4 year program

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Hi everyone, I'm new at this valuemd thing so bear with me. Just wondering if anyone has any information about the switch from UAG's 5 year medical program to the now 4 year program, seems too good to be true.From what I've read, you can do the first two years in Mexico and do your last two years in the US. Is this correct? I went to the website but couldn't get much info so anything is appreciated, thanks!

Fall 2014 New Students

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:clapover: Who else was accepted and is going to UAG this Fall (class of 2018)? Is there a FB group for the fall 2014?

UAG has Direct Plus/ Stafford Loans again !!!

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UAG has Direct Plus/ Stafford Loans !!!!!! :)
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